Another silly support topic

[nigol]

Hi

I have some serious problems with support. About two months ago I menaged to do proper support but I cant do it ever since. I tried in like million possible ways though I think im just going nowhere. Well recently i think am able to sing without too much air sometmes but i still get nowhere near the tone i know i am able to produce.

Reading all those topic about support just begins to piss me off. sorry to say that. I really dont know what "dont overthink this" is supposed to mean. I TRIED not to overthink it but I dont achieve support! When someone says its not that difficult im pretty sure he/she never really supported correctly because from my small experience the difference between singing with and without support is bigger than i could imagined.

OK since, to be honest, I dont think any of You can really help me, all im looking for is some strictly technical clarifications: where the hell is solar plexus and (more importantly) why i cant find any "bulge at solar plexus"? How to do this whole "bulge"? And if I maintain this bulge while singing, do i have support or is this not enough? Ive read Katrin Satolins book and all I could find on the web bot guess what, I still sound terribly bad. Why i have no support even thou i keep my ribs expanded and my abdomen loose? Or maybe I should thighten it up?

I cant tell you how i am tired over this support thing but i dont want you to tell me not to think about it either - believe me, even i dont want to listen to myself singing without what I believe is support, how the heck others are supposed to like my singing?

Sorry for my bad english
cheers

[Dino]

Let me tell you - I feel your pain! I am also rather frustrated that everyone say the way to find support is not think about it. But they are actually right. If you do think about it too much you will loose it! Like when you are walking, if you think too hard about all the motions you are making while walking, how you lift your feet, how you angle you knee, how you put your foot down. If you do that you will soon find out you can't walk at all.

The problem is you have to be *indirect*. Thinking "Oh man, now I'm gonna support my ass off" will usually *not* achieve support. Singing in general and supporting in particular is more about what you *don't* do than about what you do. It's entirely possible that you are tensing all the support muscles correctly, but that you are also tensing a bunch of other muscles that undo the benefits of support.

I will find my solar plexus by putting a hand where the ribs meet. Then I do the "rocking the support" exercise.

[eggplantbren]

Great thread. I had all of these same issues and confusions when I was new to CVT. I still don't really think that much about support - turned out my problems were elsewhere.

[Danny]

I only recently started to take lessons and am fortunate enough to have a CVT certified teacher in my town. It took her about half an hour to explain the concept of supporting, showing me which muscles are at work, etc. Now I'm not claiming that I always support correctly while I'm singing, but I know how it should be done and I know I'm doing the exercises correctly. So perhaps you should invest in a lesson. I think you can even take one online.