Kaare or any other cvt coach!

[Jens]

In the book it says the flageolet starts at high c ( C5,c2) for males and at soprano c for females.
Ive learned that the only difference between males and female vocalapparatus is the size. How come this is à "rule" for all males and all females since the sizes of the vocalapparatus can vary alot from individual to individual.
I also think that the male high neutral behaves alot like the female above tenor high c but below soprano c despite the fact males use flageolet and women dont.
If jyou dont know the answear maybe you could dig some info on what this is founded on

Thanks and cheers/ Jens

[CVI Teaching Staff]

Well, this is mainly based on research.

Above the c2/c3 we simply need the flageolet to produce any kind of sound.
So to answer your final question: its based on the science of Acoustics as well as the fact, that we have never seen or heard of, anyone that could do a note above their high c without a flageolet on.

But...the flageolet tension can be more or less, meaning that it can vary in size.
The more the tension, the less of the vocal cords vibrating, the higher notes we can do.
So females/males are not separated by an octave - its closer to 5 notes.
Maybe that´s why you feel that the voices are similar in the very high part for males and the high part for females.

Could be that the people you are comparing both are in Neutral with more or less flageolet tension, making it quite similar.

Could also be that the male is in Neutral with flageolet and the female is not, making the support values more identical...?

Could also be, that a female with a "darker" voice, compared to a guy with a "lighter" on, will be more similar.

But generally, if a girl sings an a2 in Neutral and compare the work with a guy´s on the same note, the guy most certainly will work harder to obtain the note.

Does it make sense?
Kaare

[Jens]

Good answear, what i mean basicly is that i feel women use flageolet tension below their high c alot. And that it behaves alot like the malevoice.
There are numerous examples and i basicly feel lik you can use any singers as examples but lets use these.

Female singing above male high c but below soprano c

Www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgLJiHkxK4o

Male Singer Above high c

Www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzdZ6a2FfcQ

My feeling is that both these singers rely on flageolet tension, and Vanessa amorosi is still considered à very highvoiced even amongst women.
I think it's kindo weird that im hearing flageolet n both these singers but the averege women it wouldnt start until soprano c and that it's dangerous to use below.

I feel like flageolet for women refers to these sounds in thebook

Www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxu5p82Ni-8

Bu the same happens for us males above soprano c

Www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa3uKAiEqu8



I get the feeling that the flageolet in womens voices is referred to as the whistleregister